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Offline capeklr

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Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« on: December 21, 2014, 05:42:47 PM »
My Märklin 37881 Era 2 steam loco a class 44 2-10-0 freight unit has always been a good and smooth runner.

Came from the factory fitted with the digital high efficiency kit with 5 pole motor and the first generation 6090 decoder.
The two main differences between the first 6090 and later 60902 decoders are the extra functions and that the later one has a common + wire for the functions.
On Märklin decoders this wire is Orange, others like ESU this is Blue.
With the older decoder the function only get a half wave pulse so the lights flicker, not so nice.
So with the help of the schematic for these decoders I could work out where to solder on the Orange wire and then lead these to the front and rear lights for flicker free lights.  :thumb:
With two sided tape I stuck a piece of circuit board onto an open spot on the decoder so that I could easily connect a few Orange wires.
Then I went one step further and also found the decoder minus which then allowed me to fit a few capacitors to allow the engine to run over dirty track.
Here a diagram how to connect these.
Pluspol being Orange or decoder Positive, Masse being decoder minus.
Here's a pic of the 5 caps that I fitted into the top of the tender, 5x 470µf 35V.
To test I stuck a piece of tape onto my test track just longer than the pick up shoes and had the loco run at a very slow speed and with out stopping she went right over the tape.  :thumb:

Although this is a simple mod to do, if you make a mistake or are not very good at soldering you can very easily fry the decoder, so do this at your own risk.
 
« Last Edit: June 15, 2018, 02:23:54 PM by capeklr »

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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2014, 08:45:44 PM »
Nice work!  :thumb:

I'm not familiar with Marklin in general so its nice to know that this can be done if need.

For your keep alive capacitors, what is the value of R1 and D1?  I'm guessing R1 is probablly 100 Ohms and D1 is an 1N4007 or similar.

Niel

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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2014, 11:38:47 PM »
Hi Niel,
D1 is a 1N4148 and R1 is 57Ω
I'm slowly doing this to all my Loco's as well as ball bearings for the motors armature.
Some decoders like ESU have the solder points for this as a standard feature.
Have a good look at the decoders manual.
Regards Jörg.

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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 08:27:38 AM »
Jörg, does ball bearings not increase maintenance?
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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 08:55:42 AM »
No Ed, decrease maintenance as you don't have to oil the armature anymore which has the added benefit that the commutator and brushes stays clean and dry.
Remember that these ball bearings are greased and sealed when you buy them.
A little bit less friction on start up is also welcome.  :thumb:
 

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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2014, 12:48:10 PM »
See, we should learn every day :biggrin:
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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2014, 08:57:56 PM »
Hi Niel,
D1 is a 1N4148 and R1 is 57Ω
I'm slowly doing this to all my Loco's as well as ball bearings for the motors armature.
Some decoders like ESU have the solder points for this as a standard feature.
Have a good look at the decoders manual.
Regards Jörg.

Jörg,

57 Ohm for R1 is interesting, it allows for faster charging of the capacitors.  Normally 100 Ohm is used to prevent "current in-rush" on some other brands of DCC.

I'm well familiar with adding keep alive caps on ESU V4 decoders because I do it all the time.  I find that the V4s are very fussy over their power supply and sound can easily become scratchy if the locos power pickup is a little less than ideal.  Even a single 470uF capacitor makes an immense improvement but I always use the largest capacitor that I have space for.

Nice work again,

Niel

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Re: Märklin 6090 decoder upgrade.
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2014, 09:34:28 PM »
Hi Niel,
yes I've read a lot about using 100Ω resistors, but also 57Ω so decided to try and see.
Works great.
I have designed and built a lot of coach interior lights with Led's and like to use caps to prevent flickering and with those projects I have not even used this resistor/diode yet.
It should in theory cause a short if to many caps charge at once when you switch on the digital system, but this has not happened yet.
Jörg.