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Offline capeklr

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Layout lighting
« on: January 22, 2015, 06:59:17 PM »
You can build the best layout, but with bad light in the room you will never be able to get the full benefit of all your time and money spent.
Now if you live in an apartment there might not be a lot of things you can do to the lights, but if its your own house you can do something.
This is a subject that I have given a lot of thought, as I am a lazy bugger I don't always want to stand up to switch the room lights on and of while I'm running trains.  ;D So I want to have a light switch, preferable a dimmer in my main control panel, but having 12Volts and 220Volts together is also not the best idea.
Come in modern technology and LED's.
I recently read on a German Train forum of a man that used waste pipe cut into strips coated with reflective material and then added 12v LED's strips and hung these from the ceiling.
So I purchased some material to try this for myself.
Still needs some work, but I will show some pics now and as I improve this I will update.
Bought a piece of waste pipe and cut it length wise into 5 equal strips.


Got some self adhesive reflective material, this is quite tricky to get into the curve nice and smoothly.

Here is a pic hanging from the ceiling from a few pieces of string just to try out.
I have a HO N3 diorama which I am using for this test.


Seemed a bit weak for me so try it a different way.
Removed the strip of LED's and suspended them to shine into the reflector.


Well that was even worse, plus I had stripy lighting to boot. ::)
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 02:12:40 PM by capeklr »

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 07:16:30 PM »
If at first you do not succeed try again.  8)
So I made it a double row of LED's and this does already give much more light.

Judge for yourself.

Let me know what you guys think.
These LED strips are dimmable via pulse width modulation, so I will have to build myself a nice dimmer for this.
Of course now another problem has manifested itself, the two way tape under these strips is not the best, or these strips just generate to much heat so that it goes soft and the lights fall down.  :-[
I will sort that out as well.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 02:11:18 PM by capeklr »

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 07:18:16 PM »
BTW all photo's taken with a simple hand held camera. I could have used my wifes fancy one with tripod, but did not want to make the pic look to good.

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 09:01:22 PM »
What  a good idea.

Could you tell me where you got the LED strips from here in Cape town?

Id also love to see more of the diorama. It looks like a real beauty.
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Wes

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 09:15:58 PM »
Hi Wes,
got the LED's from Ecoled. www.ecoled.co.za
Its a 5 meter roll complete with transformer for the needed 12 Volts.
These are warm white.
As mentioned these get quite warm, so much so that the glue get soft and lets go.
My friend has fitted Led strips in his kitchen and these do not get warm, so I'm going to buy another set and try again.
Jörg.

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2015, 01:35:53 PM »
What!!!! at R19-R220 per meter!!!!

There was a very nice series of posts about just this on the Model Railroad Hobbyist forums recently.. I will see if I can find it and post a link here...  it does seem that the guys are getting good results with the LED strips, in various combinations...

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/9736
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/19677
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/15567

I think we need to make a trip to one of the china malls, and see what they have available, and at what prices...

I believe the benefits offered by LED lighting is worth the effort and time spent to get it working.   but the price is still a bit of a deal breaker for me personally...
Francois Kritzinger

Modeling HO American and S.A.R. And any high speed trains. And lego trains. And... Oh I just love trains!

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2015, 02:21:04 PM »
Thanks for those links, will read them later, might improve my design.
There are other sources for these Led strips, I have seen them at Brights as well, my friend bought some at Builders.
These that I have here are the warm white which cost a bit more anyway.
Will be trying some cool white as well.
Price yes it can be considered a lot, but if you consider what the trains cost and if it means I can get to enjoy my trains more by spending some money on the lights then to me its a bargain.  :thumb:
As I mentioned I will try and improve this and report back.

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2015, 05:29:52 PM »
That's some nice experimentation.  Good job  :thumb:  The two strips does look a lot better than the single strip.

What size are the LEDs that you're using?  Generally LED's run pretty cool so I'm a little surprised you're getting heat from them.  Is your transformer putting out 12V or is it maybe running a little closer to 15V?  Just asking.

At the Boksburg Indoor Flea Market you can normally get LED light strips for around R80 - 90 per meter depending on the colour.  Warm white is generally more expensive.  That said if you buy 5 meter rolls you'll get it between R300 and R350 and if you're in the right mood you may be able to bargain them down a little more.  Don't ask how I know this... Or what I was doing in Boksburg  :stir:

I've also read some of the MRH postings about this.  They have done some interesting stuff using RGB (Red, Green, Blue) strips in order to give dawn /day / dusk / night time effects.  This is something that I still want to try out one day.

Something else these light strips are useful for is lighting up buildings on your layout.  If you're really board (or cheap like me  >:D ) you can also unsolder the individual LEDs and use them for whatever other purpose you wish. 

Cheers,

Niel

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2015, 09:41:08 PM »
Unfortunately I have not had the time to do anything more on this project, but I have just found an interesting idea over at www.stummiforum.de where I am a member as well. To many forums. ::)

This man also used Led strips mounted on a aluminium channel from the ceiling all around the layouts edge.
I have asked his permission to use his photo's here.
He used two different colour strips so that via remote control the lights can be dimmed, red light for sun set and then soft blue which gives you moon light.
I like this set up very much and just felt that I want to share it here.

This pic shows the layout room with everything installed. He also has 3w Led dome lights for the normal lights.
Aluminium 30x30mm angle screwed to the ceiling to mount the Led strips at 45° away from the viewer.
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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2015, 09:47:44 PM »
The two Led strips.

This pic you can see the red for sunset.


Led lights.

Moon light.


Power system with remote controlled dimmers.

Remotes.


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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2015, 09:50:35 PM »
He also illuminated some of the houses on the back drop.  :thumb:


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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2015, 10:01:03 AM »
very nicely done!!!
Francois Kritzinger

Modeling HO American and S.A.R. And any high speed trains. And lego trains. And... Oh I just love trains!

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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2015, 07:33:17 AM »
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Re: Layout lighting
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2015, 08:11:22 PM »
Found another great source for LED lighting.
www.futurelight.co.za
They also have very nice 12V power supplies and LED dimmers.
They are based in Cape Town,  but will send anywhere in the country. Go check them out.